Tuesday, August 12, 2008

The Potential Rise of the Mysterious EEStory Forums Potential

There's been a bit of grumbling about the new forums based format but overall, the vast majority of feedback has been positive. Tom Villars had the good idea to let some academics have some breathing room for a no-science-holds-barred discussion which seems to be developing nicely here:

http://www.theeestory.com/topics/61

But if you think the interesting discussions are only taking place in the invitation only section, take a peak at a developing thread here:

http://www.theeestory.com/topics/51

Going back to the old blog, Steve has made a sustained case that the recent EEStor press release has been largely underinterpreted and could possibly contain interesting subtext found in the phrasings EEStor chose to use. Now, Schneibster (whose photo appears to prove that he was 23yrs old way back in 1892) has breathed new life into this idea of Steve's all hinging on the use of the word potential in the press release. Schneibster, in a nod to the overall mystery of the EEStory has even left us this tantilizing tidbit:

I think that the above information gives enough clues to let someone who knows enough physics, electronics manufacturing, materials science, and electronics engineering to figure out what EEStor hopes to do. There is ample sourcing. It will be interesting to find out if I'm right. I've left out a few key points, and there's a major key point I expect no one outside of the company knows. And it's not the permittivity of the material, either.


Is the world we know changing or are we all caught up in a web of confusion?

55 comments:

ezebaymoney said...

is the ee site down?

GetWilde said...

Is www.theeestory.com down for everyone? I'm getting 500 Internal Server errors.

downforeveryoneorjustme.com suggests that it's not just me...

whatsyourevidence said...

it's down

zawy said...

he's probably getting heat from zenn and eestor for all the negative posts.

mrjerry said...

I heard they took "B" out. Something about an interview with the Mahanhatan II project manager, I was reading the interview with all of a sudden I got "500 internal server error". I did save a copy, so I suggest who ever took him out you better get him back..

TomBfromLouisiana said...

what do you mean Mrjerry? Elaborate please

Matt said...

I heard Tom Villars is running the store while B's away. Maybe he pushed the wrong button.

tonon said...

maybe that site is getting a POS attack?

richterm said...

Zawy -

Nice work you're doing on the yahoo message board. You're even suggesting B works for a marketing firm called Flor Marketing which was hired by Eestor.

http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Stocks_%28A_to_Z%29/Stocks_Z/forumview?bn=70447


In the past I've read your technical discussions with some interest. You seem to have a lot of conspiracy theories which are hard to disregard given the cloudy situation. But your efforts also can be viewed with a critical eye. You sound like a basher trying to manipulate Zenn down now.

zawy said...

I only relayed what someone else posted at http://theeestory.com If a magician cuts a woman in half, you try to figure out how it's done. But you don't call those theories conspiracy theories. But I see you're throwing out your own conspiracy theory against me. Let me know if you see a way to short Zenn. I don't, so i have no reason except the goodness of my heart to let others know. That's the same reason you enjoyed my technical posts. BTW, most of those "conspiracy theories" were trying to figure out how EEStor was succeeding against y_po's wishes, not to hurt Zenn stock price.

zawy said...

P.S. how can you not throw out conspiracy theories if a blog goes down the same day 3 really incriminating things are discovered? I'll be proven wrong in one of my suggestions if theeestory comes back up with all the posts unaltered.

richterm said...

All I'm saying is that while you're questioning others motivations, yours can be questioned just as easily. You may be right or wrong. I do think it's a little quick to the trigger going on Yahoo and who knows where else basically attacking Eestor/Zenn/B because the site is down. Could you have waited just a bit to see if it came back up with the comments you referenced?

And yes there could easily be a reason for you to try to manipulate Zenn down. I think you can short Zenn, but even if you can't, maybe you just want to buy low. After all, what does anyone really know about you? And that's not an accusation, just reality.

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richterm said...

And by the way, what were the 3 damaging items posted today? Let's see if we can bring this blog down.

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larry said...

zawy, what 3 incriminating items?
for the calculators of internal forces that make this impossible; the forces include the stretching of the dipoles, but also the force to align them, and since the molecules sit in a cozy crystal matrix, this means stretching all those cozy little molecules; calculate that force

zawy said...

The three things were:
1) someone said this blog and the other were shown initially to be owned by Flor Marketing who was hired by EEStor. They didn't give proof but i think they said they still had a copy of the old registry info.

2) This is the second time Zenn has made outrageous claims by partnering with a high-tech company that came to nothing:
http://www.pureenergysystems.com/news/2004/06/12/690021_AEC_HydrogenfromWater/index.html

They promised to start getting up to speed on 10,000 cars/yr on hydrogen by 2005 and it came to nothing, except their partner's stock going to 1/30th the value.

3) i predicted the permittivity test would be soon and glorified by Zenn, but it would not conatin any energy density confirmed by a 3rd party data which is the only thing important and the one thing everyone has been asking for since 2000.

mjtimber said...

For now, it does seem a bit strange that after that post and the discussion regarding it, the site is now down. We will see if it's back up this afternoon, but I'm glad I haven't taken the ZNN plunge.

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Matt said...

Zawy, (1) is just not true, (2) is a failed research project (AEC as a company failed for different reasons), and (3) is just you talking.

In what way are these things "incriminating"?

zawy said...

I'm telling you, whether or not "B" is a marketer, he has to let legitimate posts be made, but he also has to stay in good graces with Zenn and EEStor. I also know they watch these blogs....which is another concern: if they were for real, they wouldn't care about the blog or press releases. They would just produce. They've got the money and only need to demonstrate a sample to get infinite amounts more.

zawy said...

Matt, by saying i am just talking, are you claiming they'll have a 3rd party that test permittivity at high voltage? Or are you just talking? Besides, number 2 is very incriminating, so you really are just talking. And so is number 1 if they follow up with proof.

larry said...

zawy, I await your calculations! and while you're at it; the material is pre-polarized at 4000v, i wonder in which direction if i'm trying to maximize energy storage? as for surface charge; the only place the full charge is needed is on the electrodes; the first layer of cmbt dipoles only see a fraction of the voltage differential.

Bretspot said...

Or its just a social experiment. B wanted to see how many people went crazy trying to get their EEStor fix for the day. For now, I am going to do my best to avoid the whole discussion until new real info comes out. this is getting rediculous.

Matt said...

Yes, I do expect them to release 3 party permittivity results at 3500V.

And, no, a failed research project is not evidence of criminal behaviour. Many times, ideas just don't pan out.

And by saying you are just talking, I'm pointing out that your [i]predictions[/i] about their future actions do not constitute any sort of evidence against EEstor of Zenn.

zawy said...

If a reliable 3rd party measures even a low k = 5,000 at 3500 V on one of their 10 um spaced components, then I'll definitely jump back in. That brings up an interesting point: they could state k and V and we would still not know energy density. We need k and V/um.

zawy said...

Larry, i can't calculate any individual forces inside. The physics that proves it's impossible do not rely on that, just the dipoles. But the energy of formation is so far below what EEStor claims, surface charge and dipoles don't matter. The molecules would be ripped apart.

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larry said...

matt, to weir permittivity is only relevant to an assembled esu component. raw cmbt powder wouldn't demonstrate his claims. only when the powder is crystalized and coated and pre-polarized does the claimed k become relevant and demonstrable. it may also require a particular temperature range. no wonder he wouldn't give miller a sample to test - raw powder would fail the test, a completed module would give away the whole invention. guessing this is what schneibster is referring to as a system.

aaron said...

OH dear, not me again!

aaron said...

"You're even suggesting B works for a marketing firm called Flor Marketing which was hired by Eestor.
"

THey are all in bed with eachother just to make a buck, really really sad!

aaron said...

If you must know, Here are my beliefs, "B" is Richard S. Wier.
Owns and operates brownbagventures (a marketting company) and knows what he is doing. They just did not bet on a few nutters like me to have the time and resources to figure anything out. Heck, I got erased because I mentioned the whole Richard S. Wier debacle.
Dont worry I am still working my magic.

larry said...

zawy, energy is not greater than energy of formation. see PiRight post. get a chemist to calculate for you.

mrjerry said...

B - sent me an email - unfortunately he hooked up one of the eestor 15k eesu units just off the factory floor (dick gave him the first unit - sorry Ian Clifford) he accidently hooked up the positive to the wrong terminal as he was using this as a UPS system. He is ok thanks to the extra safety measure inherent in the design of the unit. The server should be up and running soon. Thanks you for you patience. ;-)

GetWilde said...

OntarioInvestor, you got your wish! Here we all are again, posting comments on the blog. :)

Here's an interesting article about a potential EEStor competitor, although they claim lower energy storage numbers.


http://www.1-ltl.com/press%20release.htm


I haven't looked at their patents (which supposedly are publicly-available, but would one of the experts here crunch a few numbers and see if their claims also exceed accepted theory? If so, maybe this article lends some credibility to EEStor's claims? In other words, perhaps a second team of inventors has now discovered a way to exceed the known limits of capacitors?

Joao said...

How about these "Digitized Energy Storage Devices"?

http://uanews.org/node/13160

aaron said...

zawy is not the only one saying things about flor.

http://robjobsblog.blogspot.com/

larry said...

sme's,
if main problem is energy storage capacity of cmbt; recently saw a reference showing that diamond has a dielectric energy capacity of 8000J/cc. I'll try to find the site again. but certainly this is close enough to show 10000J/cc is possible.

taa said...

If anyone has Bs' number, please let him know that I think I know what the problem is.
I just emailed him my cell phone.

aaron said...

He's got some bad text in one of the posts, unfortunately, he'll have to delete all of todays posts and as a side effect, Zawy will be banned.
;)

OntarioInvestor said...

Zawy/Aron, i think you guys have watched one too many conspiracy flicks. As for the site, even if wier did put up the site/blog, how does that change anything. It would have been a good way to gain publicity without officially have to answer questions for competition.

Zawy, it is pretty obvious to everyone that you were all for the stock when you owned, and now you are bashing it because you sold it and you are worried about missing out when the permativity tests are put out. I would feel the same way. People would respect your opinions more if you showed some consistency (not just depending on what your holdings are).

OntarioInvestor said...

another possible reason for the shutdown on the site is that maybe the science forum was getting a little too close to understanding it. Wier didn't like that and asked B to take the site down, until after the public announcements/patents are made.

Matt said...

If I remember correctly, Rob Janson, who runs the blog just mentioned as confirmation of the web site story, is the guy who posted it to B's blog.

He said he discovered it via a whois search on the misspelled domain. I didn't see any connection to EEstor.

taa said...

Again, if someone could have B look up my phone number (I emailed it) I will explain to him how I inadvertedly made the site crash.
It is hilarious to see the conspiracy theories. Zawy is just unreal!!

Matt said...

taa,

Tom Villars said in chat the B is away and he is minding the blog. You should mail Tom.

taa said...

What is his email?

Bretspot said...

/me puts on tinfoil hat.
This is hilarious.

OntarioInvestor said...

the Rss feed and having only one area for discussion is so much more convenient/efficient. I can't be bothered to go in and read all the posts on the new site anymore....i mean, come on 80 topics of discussion.

zawy said...

those canadian patents are kind of interesting. exact same design. mostly about fault protection. they mentioned the aluminum electrodes shorting out (like i proposed) as a way to protect the other components. they cite the old nickel-electrode eestor patent as an example where a short will cause a problem

Mark said...

The site is back up now. Conspire away!

zawy said...

Mark must be one of the Flor Marketing employees

Karl M said...

PLease, please, please can we put the Flor Marketing thing to rest!!!

Some dumb*ss (excuse me) did a whois search in error for theestory.com , not theeestory.com (note the e's) and found that a company owned theestory.com (the mistyped domain) by the name Flor marketing. The real blog was registered last week by an anonymous person theeestory.com(B), not Flor marketing. For anyone who has registered a domain name (I have quite a few), they know many, many, many similar domain names have already been registered. Even what many would think is obscure has already been registered. There is no connection. The that fact that this is showing up all over the place shows how quickly misinformation is spread. Please go to domaintools.com and see the difference. Flormarketinggate is the result of a mistype by some conspiracy theorist.

Mark said...

I assure you I'm not part of ANY marketing group. Just an interested bystander. Please, continue the petty bickering! :)