tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post7981154070650039733..comments2024-02-16T02:11:01.578-05:00Comments on EEStor Ultracapacitors: Battery Revolution begins with Electric Cars?: Even More info from Tyler Hamilton on EEStorUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger112125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-20875862550725737202008-08-08T17:28:00.000-04:002008-08-08T17:28:00.000-04:00Matt, if figure 1a in this link applies to our cas...Matt, if figure 1a in <A HREF="http://www.ursi.org/B/EMTS_2007/R10-24/1-Jylha026.pdf" REL="nofollow">this link</A> applies to our case as well as i think it does, then that would explain the solution to the capacitance problem. Maybe series capacitance doesn't apply for some reason like lack of metal plates between capacitors.Zawyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03727573717462028189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-23636148410734295282008-08-08T17:20:00.000-04:002008-08-08T17:20:00.000-04:00Larry, Zenn's perceived value isn't just their 3.8...Larry, Zenn's perceived value isn't just their 3.8% stake in EEstore. Much of it is the exclusive licensing agreement. If EEstor pans out, then it's not going to take a lot of work for Zenn to turn that agreement into a enough earnings to support a much higher share price.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02908964068138813895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-90576040368337542372008-08-08T17:15:00.000-04:002008-08-08T17:15:00.000-04:00sme'sinteresting reading from the eestor patent.cm...sme's<BR/>interesting reading from the eestor patent.<BR/>cmbt is coated with 100A of pet and 100A of alumina.<BR/>component capacitors 10 micron thick were tested and dielectric saturation occurred above 5000v.<BR/>at least they say they observed saturation back in 2005 and it was not a problem at rated voltage.larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06816798681714080173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-67733516667959132752008-08-08T17:07:00.000-04:002008-08-08T17:07:00.000-04:00Zawy, have you discovered the Bruggeman mixing rul...Zawy, have you discovered the Bruggeman mixing rule for dielectrics, yet?Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02908964068138813895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-63088623299236013532008-08-08T16:58:00.000-04:002008-08-08T16:58:00.000-04:00Yes, good find Jam.Yes, good find Jam.Marcushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10800215214582791177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-20548123645799478502008-08-08T16:54:00.000-04:002008-08-08T16:54:00.000-04:00I was looking for 10 eV from 40% of the CMBT. A t...I was looking for 10 eV from 40% of the CMBT. A table in jam's link shows over 5 eV in the 3d of 100% of the Ti. Basically the ionic bonds are partially covalent and that's the source of moving charges along the chain.Zawyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03727573717462028189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-62001419338720372312008-08-08T16:48:00.000-04:002008-08-08T16:48:00.000-04:00Excellent find Jam. It seems to say there are som...Excellent find Jam. It seems to say there are some charges floating around against y_po and in favor of large polarization. The paper is 10 years old.<BR/><BR/>"These transfers<BR/>of charge will propagate all along the chain, so that even if the net charge on the atom is not modified, a current of<BR/>electrons will be associated to the atomic displacement. The direction of this electronic Zawyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03727573717462028189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-63160275873076746712008-08-08T16:14:00.000-04:002008-08-08T16:14:00.000-04:00For zawy and other braves "arxiv" This goes deep i...For zawy and other braves<BR/><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://arxiv.org/abs/cond-mat/9805013v1" REL="nofollow"> "arxiv" </A><BR/><BR/>This goes deep into ferroelectric crystal analysis.jamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14331223630670786249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-46275485024465765192008-08-08T14:23:00.000-04:002008-08-08T14:23:00.000-04:00thoughts on value of ZENN, EESTOR.after C$15M infu...thoughts on value of ZENN, EESTOR.<BR/>after C$15M infusion Z book value about U$20M excluding capital in E.<BR/>Z market value about U$170M.<BR/>Z never had profit and tenuous future without E, so value x-E no more than book.<BR/>market puts value of Z 3.8% stake in E at U$150M.<BR/>divide and get full E value U$4B.<BR/>Not bad for a garage full of ???<BR/>I can understand the market not runninglarryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06816798681714080173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-37352148218369458532008-08-08T13:12:00.000-04:002008-08-08T13:12:00.000-04:00wannew, lensman,with 6+% of EESTOR, ZENN stock wil...wannew, lensman,<BR/>with 6+% of EESTOR, ZENN stock will be high enough to buy GM or Ford for stock, or merge with a controlling share.larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06816798681714080173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-68143873582235216642008-08-08T13:08:00.000-04:002008-08-08T13:08:00.000-04:00mrjerryUltimatly the CAP will be boxed up by some ...mrjerry<BR/><BR/>Ultimatly the CAP will be boxed up by some innovators as a buffer at the resident. It will be smart and accpept power from the grid when its cheap. You will be able to quick charge your mobile cap from that as well. <BR/><BR/>Others will if Zenn gets in the way, make retro fits for competing EV's that will let you take the CAP out of a "ZENN system" (retro i guess would be the wannewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16230604196241720199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-7962181242368573942008-08-08T12:52:00.000-04:002008-08-08T12:52:00.000-04:00LensmanYep you are correct the only route Zenn can...Lensman<BR/><BR/>Yep you are correct the only route Zenn can really go is to just sticker the technology and pass it through. I said that is one of the two ways they can go, I did get your point with the IBM reference. <BR/><BR/>What I said is, that once its obvious that Zenn is really only able to put a sticker on the drive train or systems that propel vehicles in their agreed space with EESTOR.wannewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16230604196241720199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-49723637305151181562008-08-08T12:24:00.000-04:002008-08-08T12:24:00.000-04:00drmatsci, guess i always thought this was a closed...drmatsci, guess i always thought this was a closed system, with say +1750v to -1750v. how would you go to ground in a car? thru the tires? seems like sparks would fly.larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06816798681714080173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-68589541328530634582008-08-08T12:21:00.000-04:002008-08-08T12:21:00.000-04:00My other question - everyone has been using the ma...My other question - everyone has been using the math for capcitors. What if we wanted to calculate the energy stored in a battery, say an advanced Li battery, what would the math look like?<BR/><BR/>What if the EEstor product isn't really a capacitor at all, but more like dry polymeric battery? I can't think of a better way to throw off any possible competition than to keep them down the wrong DJoneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12488775278744373456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-57665782435075141942008-08-08T12:06:00.000-04:002008-08-08T12:06:00.000-04:00I was wondering something - in DC current, electro...I was wondering something - in DC current, electrons only need to flow to 'power' something, right?<BR/><BR/>Now it seems to me it would always be easier to jam more electrons into a space to make a 'negative' charge, so that when needed, the charge flows off through your device and to ground, correct?<BR/><BR/>What about creating a postitive charge instead, that is, to drive out all the DJoneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12488775278744373456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-65856405547245878822008-08-08T10:37:00.000-04:002008-08-08T10:37:00.000-04:00It's 1.7 J/kg or 10,000 J/cc. My statements a...It's 1.7 J/kg or 10,000 J/cc. My statements above are based on 10,000 J/cc, k=18,000 and V/um=350. Based on these numbers and my calculations, it is impossible if there is no charge movement. If they found a material with k=2 and it could withstand 100 times more voltage/um, then it's for the dipoles to stay within the unit cell and to have enough surface charge. But there is no suchZawyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03727573717462028189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-27036211215971481172008-08-08T10:15:00.000-04:002008-08-08T10:15:00.000-04:00zawy, others,focusing on the bottom line, do your ...zawy, others,<BR/>focusing on the bottom line, do your calcs allow them to reach 1.7MJ/cc (i think that's the no.)larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06816798681714080173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-40161718385155932082008-08-08T10:07:00.000-04:002008-08-08T10:07:00.000-04:00To answer someone's question earlier: i waste my t...To answer someone's question earlier: i waste my time on this because I can't believe KP/Lockheed/Northrop were all fooled with something so basic that people like y_po can simply look at it with a simple calculation and show it to be impossible. I am curious at how it will turn out. In contradiction to the science, I am still invested in Zenn, which is why i am here and working very hard to Zawyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03727573717462028189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-78718500524917119052008-08-08T10:02:00.000-04:002008-08-08T10:02:00.000-04:00Everytime I say "CMBT, I am referring to EEstor's ...Everytime I say "CMBT, I am referring to EEstor's "BT". I'm sure the modified composition will still have approx 4x4x4 angstrom cells upon which my equations are based. <BR/><BR/>Jam's statement gave me the idea of checking my equations against experimental data and i found an error in what i was typing here. It didn't make much of a difference to my comments, but it resolved an inconsistencyZawyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03727573717462028189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-35506962829960175262008-08-08T08:52:00.000-04:002008-08-08T08:52:00.000-04:00I may have missed it among all these blog posts' c...I may have missed it among all these blog posts' comments, but has anyone done the "calculations" for the compounds other than BaTiO3 mentioned in the various posts? I understand that if it's never been explicitly stated what the "doped" compound is, it will not be easy or even possible to do so.<BR/><BR/>However, It makes no sense to me why the properties of BaTiO3 have been harped on for so Generichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07246497779905220799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-24400022738717461442008-08-08T08:24:00.000-04:002008-08-08T08:24:00.000-04:00Jam, they ramp the V/um to near breakdown. For mo...Jam, they ramp the V/um to near breakdown. For most of the V/um increase, the k is dropping linearly and the J/cc is going up by the same factor. Their k was probably around 200. My comment that EEStor can't go above 10 V/um is based on their k=22,000 and not experiencing dielectric saturation, as stated on item 12 of the world patent on the last page.Zawyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03727573717462028189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-19672929497083476972008-08-08T06:48:00.000-04:002008-08-08T06:48:00.000-04:00Geofree quoted..."[Our finding] reverses the think...Geofree quoted...<BR/><BR/><I>"[Our finding] reverses the thinking about how pore size is important for supercapacitors," said Yury Gogotsi of Drexel University. "Following this work, decreasing pores below 1 nm can lead to smaller, lighter, more powerful supercapacitor devices.<BR/>[snip]<BR/>...if the pore size approached the diameter of the ion, normalized capacitance increased by 100%.</I><BRLensmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10507010947829949836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-31931368555108431282008-08-07T22:47:00.000-04:002008-08-07T22:47:00.000-04:00y_po saidthese things are guided, if not then they...y_po said<BR/>these things are guided, if not then they are pretty useless for shooting moving targets.<BR/><BR/>Also, if I am not mistaken the main problem in railgun is not energy storage but rail itself.<BR/><BR/>talk to me in 2020.. oh, i know y_po "eestor will deliver late in 2021, thought i save you a post.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17557031241918722413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-49544342861586626042008-08-07T22:32:00.000-04:002008-08-07T22:32:00.000-04:00just thinking:estor in hybrids, no likely would yo...just thinking:<BR/>estor in hybrids, no likely would you pay 10k more for the same car, signficant more maintenance, knowing their you be able to recharge at a recharge station coming out in every town within 4 years.<BR/><BR/>once you buy your first zenn car with eesu, and then you buy your next one, do you take the eesu from your old car and put it in your next car? how much of a discount wouldUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17557031241918722413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-39024511975198941312008-08-07T22:21:00.001-04:002008-08-07T22:21:00.001-04:00Just read a paper in :J.Phys. D: Appl. Phys. 29 (1...Just read a paper in :<BR/>J.Phys. D: Appl. Phys. 29 (1996) 253-258<BR/><BR/>"Optimization of energy storage density in ceramic capacitors", N H Fletcher, A.D. Hilton , B W ricketts<BR/><BR/>They said they got up to 100 V/µm , with 8 J/cc but without mentioning the dielectric constsnt.<BR/>One-third of the way for dielectric strength.jamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14331223630670786249noreply@blogger.com