tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post5723478501289264166..comments2024-02-16T02:11:01.578-05:00Comments on EEStor Ultracapacitors: Battery Revolution begins with Electric Cars?: San Francisco Chronicle on Zenn MotorsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-86522406106569730852008-08-05T21:49:00.000-04:002008-08-05T21:49:00.000-04:00Lensman said... Tesla Motors claims a charging eff...<I>Lensman said... <BR/><BR/>Tesla Motors claims a charging efficiency of 86%. Perhaps the EEstor will be slightly more efficient, I don't know.</I><BR/><BR/>I think that EESUs will charge and discharge at greater than 95% efficiency and possibly much higher. The principle loses are in electrical resistance. This is minimal compared too the chemical conversion processes required by conventional voxelmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00695694174630085260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-15304977403781666812008-08-05T21:13:00.000-04:002008-08-05T21:13:00.000-04:00I currently own a Zap Xebra PK that I purchased Ju...I currently own a Zap Xebra PK that I purchased June 7th, 2008 that I now drive to work every day. The Xebra PK is a is a pure electric vehicle that has a GRVW of about 2300 lbs and carries two passengers or a total of 300 lbs. The electrical energy use numbers for the first 11 days in July carrying one passenger are as follows:<BR/><BR/>Date KWH Miles KWH/Mile Miles/KWH.<BR/>7/1/2008 2.22 5.5 voxelmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00695694174630085260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-44743579972228759872008-08-05T12:11:00.000-04:002008-08-05T12:11:00.000-04:00Those results are in the WIPO patent application h...Those results are in the WIPO patent application here:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?wo=2006026136&IA=WO2006026136&DISPLAY=DESC" REL="nofollow">http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?wo=2006026136&IA=WO2006026136&DISPLAY=DESC</A><BR/><BR/>go there and search for "permittivity of ten components" to find the appropriate paragraph.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02908964068138813895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-40173629278920419082008-08-05T11:47:00.000-04:002008-08-05T11:47:00.000-04:00Matt said..."He reports the results of tests on sm...Matt said...<BR/><BR/>"He reports the results of tests on small prototype capacitors that are components of the EESU product."<BR/><BR/>Great thanks. That's what I was looking for. Can you (or anyone) give me a link to such a report? Before anyone tells me so, I do understand that the existence of such a report is not proof of the actual test, and that the reported results could conceivably ultrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16543896797417769638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-10002417257214028692008-08-05T07:52:00.000-04:002008-08-05T07:52:00.000-04:00And again, my bet is they announce reaching the Pe...And again, my bet is they announce reaching the Permittivity Target, but not saying anything about the effect of high fields.johnghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01789809844702219075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-23862457749538337852008-08-05T04:01:00.000-04:002008-08-05T04:01:00.000-04:00Moomipappa said...I think 3rd party confirmation o...Moomipappa said...<BR/><BR/><I>I think 3rd party confirmation of the stated permittivity will be enough to end most of the debate.</I><BR/><BR/>I very, very much doubt it. The debate will just shift to what the meaning of the permittivity verification means. We've already seen the first of that: Someone asking "Are they just going to test the permittivity of the powder?"<BR/><BR/>Does "Lensmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10507010947829949836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-18136161093066444172008-08-05T02:52:00.000-04:002008-08-05T02:52:00.000-04:00"So, to those who want to know how long this debat..."So, to those who want to know how long this debate will continue: At least until the beginning of next year!"<BR/><BR/>I think 3rd party confirmation of the stated permittivity will be enough to end most of the debate. Certainly it will send Zen's stock up a lot.Jonathon Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17143359434070963598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-19424631303971418262008-08-05T02:48:00.000-04:002008-08-05T02:48:00.000-04:00OntarioInvestor, thank you muchly for this link!ht...OntarioInvestor, thank you muchly for this link!<BR/><BR/>http://www.technologyreview.com/Energy/21171/page1/<BR/><BR/>Glad to see some things clarified. A recent article suggested EEstor was again delaying their date for start of production, but I wasn't sure if that was official or just a rumor. This makes it clear that the info comes from Weir himself.<BR/><BR/>So, to those who want to know Lensmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10507010947829949836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-23465330914683423402008-08-05T02:00:00.000-04:002008-08-05T02:00:00.000-04:00I fear that Peak oil is for real… Used a graph sug...I fear that Peak oil is for real… <BR/>Used a graph suggesting a peak at 2010 and did a rough calculation on the demand for electric cars in the world for closing the demand and supply gap for oil. This gave a need of 45 million electric cars per year, from 2010 to 2020. Assuming this speculation would be correct. Do you think EEstor will be able to deliver 45 million EESU per year to make this Erikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05348401230455883489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-62737473366119656412008-08-05T01:00:00.000-04:002008-08-05T01:00:00.000-04:00B. Here is Jeff Dahn's email address Jeff.Dahn@Dal...B. Here is Jeff Dahn's email address Jeff.Dahn@Dal.Ca from dahousie (univ in canada, he is quoted in the article). Maybe you could contact him to see if you would be interested in contributing to the blog.OntarioInvestorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06324745963609515085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-54816358135025815362008-08-05T00:53:00.000-04:002008-08-05T00:53:00.000-04:00This just came out in the MIT review. In the artic...This just came out in the MIT review. In the article, Weir states that there will be press releases on a more rapid pace, which bodes very well that his tech is real. Also that he is talking with solar companies as well. I guess everyone is now officially pushed to the wall on this one. You either believe what Wier is saying, or you think he is conning everyone. With the type of statements made OntarioInvestorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06324745963609515085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-53887400941808626932008-08-04T22:08:00.000-04:002008-08-04T22:08:00.000-04:00Manthan said...to the people who said tesla is 2 c...Manthan said...<BR/><BR/><I>to the people who said tesla is 2 cents optimal, well if eestor's capictor works then wouldnt it be more effecient at almost everything compared to li-ion?</I><BR/><BR/>Tesla Motors claims a charging efficiency of 86%. Perhaps the EEstor will be slightly more efficient, I don't know. But more importantly, it would be considerably cheaper, lighter and smaller. Lensmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10507010947829949836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-27716605850106982952008-08-04T21:29:00.000-04:002008-08-04T21:29:00.000-04:00He reports the results of tests on small prototype...He reports the results of tests on small prototype capacitors that are components of the EESU product. The EESU is just 30000 of these capacitors wired in parallel, and the tests show that each of these stores 1/30000th of the energy that the EESU is promised to store.<BR/><BR/>It is no great feat to wire a bunch of capacitors in parallel, and there is no spooky magic in it, so the tests are Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02908964068138813895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-5971435161058930732008-08-04T21:08:00.000-04:002008-08-04T21:08:00.000-04:00Matt says:Demonstrations are for magicians.OK magi...Matt says:<BR/><BR/>Demonstrations are for magicians.<BR/><BR/>OK magician. I know that there have been no public demonstrations of a real product. My real question was about prototypes. Does Dr. Weir report results of preliminary products, or only tests of purity, factory capacity, moon phase....Just trying to come to a sound judgment of my own.ultrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16543896797417769638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-72818554083368164932008-08-04T20:00:00.000-04:002008-08-04T20:00:00.000-04:00There have been no demonstrations, but Weir has re...There have been no demonstrations, but Weir has reported test results in the WIPO patent and elsewhere.<BR/><BR/>Demonstrations are for magicians.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02908964068138813895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-53898221921346938822008-08-04T18:12:00.000-04:002008-08-04T18:12:00.000-04:00Just discovered this blog.I wrote to Dr. Weir aski...Just discovered this blog.<BR/>I wrote to Dr. Weir asking if any prototype had been demonstrated. No answer (due to my manner of asking?) Does anyone here know if EEStor claims to have given any private demonstrations of the key concepts of this technology? All insights appreciated.ultrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16543896797417769638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-40769117511489266052008-08-04T17:53:00.000-04:002008-08-04T17:53:00.000-04:00There is a way of getting scientific papers that c...There is a way of getting scientific papers that costs little or no money. Simply go to the University library and look up the appropriate journal, if the paper is published in a mainline peer reviewed journal then it is likely the University has it. A non-mainstream journal might still be available via interlibrary loan. <BR/><BR/>RobertRoberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05709118533755058771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-82337989937360186652008-08-04T16:58:00.000-04:002008-08-04T16:58:00.000-04:00Furthermore, I would suggest that if the physics c...Furthermore, I would suggest that if the physics could be worked out, there would be a paper published, and that we would have to pay for it to read it!<BR/>cheersSatya51https://www.blogger.com/profile/17691711660350262740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-55248724774571490042008-08-04T16:42:00.000-04:002008-08-04T16:42:00.000-04:00nekote,Thanks, I couldn't find any squirm room eit...nekote,<BR/>Thanks, I couldn't find any squirm room either. I also don't buy the idea that if some of us can't work out the physics to agree with the data, the data must be wrong (then the aspersions fly). Still, some seem to take that point of view, and I don't think that will change.Satya51https://www.blogger.com/profile/17691711660350262740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-51811480879659219292008-08-04T16:36:00.000-04:002008-08-04T16:36:00.000-04:00thorny,I too discovered no trading today and comme...thorny,<BR/><BR/>I too discovered no trading today and commented above.<BR/><BR/>A Canadian holiday called Civic day, or some such.nekotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06762248453660732373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-26531411565202881032008-08-04T16:34:00.000-04:002008-08-04T16:34:00.000-04:00A123 L5 Hymotion$10,400 + change, installed.Suppos...A123 L5 Hymotion<BR/><BR/>$10,400 + change, installed.<BR/><BR/>Supposedly 5 KWH.<BR/>But, maximum DOD (Depth Of Discharge) to 2 KWH?<BR/><A HREF="http://www.a123systems.com/hymotion/technology/performance_data" REL="nofollow">L5 performance chart</A><BR/><BR/>Thus, in reality, only 3 KWH available?nekotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06762248453660732373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-72299667331021903052008-08-04T16:28:00.001-04:002008-08-04T16:28:00.001-04:00The EEStor WIPO patent document, as opposed to the...The EEStor WIPO patent document, as opposed to the USPTO one (AFAIR), has at least 7 or so tables of values.<BR/><BR/>For example, 8 categories (.2 to 1 µm) listing the percent volume of pulverized PET particles. 58.22% at .6 µm. Average .64 µm.<BR/><BR/>Similarly for pulverized aluminum (.05 to 3.9 µm). 59.5% at 2.3 µm . Avg 2.4 µm.<BR/><BR/>And the permittivity value of 10 *batches* of CMBTnekotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06762248453660732373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-43671070447365014492008-08-04T16:28:00.000-04:002008-08-04T16:28:00.000-04:00I've heard both sides on this blog as to whether t...I've heard both sides on this blog as to whether the chemicals used to make an EEStor are available in very large quantities.<BR/><BR/>Given that current-technology solar panel costs are rising due to a shortfall in polysilicon, this seems to be a real concern to me.<BR/><BR/>Anyone have an idea if materials could be a constraint?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07699936694917799326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-8262201825972914412008-08-04T16:21:00.000-04:002008-08-04T16:21:00.000-04:00"B" I want to thank you for taking the time to ke..."B" I want to thank you for taking the time to keep this blog going, and applaud your efforts to keep the level of discourse from degenerating. I have found this a most valuable resource for info about EEStor/Zenn.<BR/>Can someone provide a link for getting real-time quotes for ZNNMF?<BR/>All I can find are closing numbers from the previous trading day.<BR/>ThornyThornyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15748781259285623786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-91484739536002407282008-08-04T16:11:00.000-04:002008-08-04T16:11:00.000-04:00to the people who said tesla is 2 cents optimal, w...to the people who said tesla is 2 cents optimal, well if eestor's capictor works then wouldnt it be more effecient at almost everything compared to li-ion?<BR/><BR/>cause its self discharge is way less, and if it can charge up faster doesnt that mean it wastes less electricity?Manthanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11024176921411003256noreply@blogger.com