tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post3286056140191504211..comments2024-02-16T02:11:01.578-05:00Comments on EEStor Ultracapacitors: Battery Revolution begins with Electric Cars?: EEStor Beyond PermittivityUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger225125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-70360752843130260832008-08-10T14:42:00.000-04:002008-08-10T14:42:00.000-04:00Are we are being deliberately misled into treating...Are we are being deliberately misled into treating the EESU as a capacitor with 3500v across every plate rather than distributed across an array. Surely DS is hardly relevant with a large enough printed array. More important would be balancing methodologies etc. Sorry if this view is too simplistic.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08616705771132507415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-76944096341949354332008-08-03T14:57:00.000-04:002008-08-03T14:57:00.000-04:00zawy,Thanks for the BT powder cost link. I may be ...zawy,<BR/>Thanks for the BT powder cost link. I may be mistaken but I was thinking that Eestor was making their own powder rather than just coating someone elses. Still that is a good reference price. I doubt my search skills would have ever led me to it.Satya51https://www.blogger.com/profile/17691711660350262740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-20853678647929491652008-07-28T14:02:00.000-04:002008-07-28T14:02:00.000-04:00Johng is correct...The $15M was from a stock offer...Johng is correct...<BR/><BR/>The $15M was from a stock offering 2 years ago when Zenn changed its name from Feel Good Motors... (or something like that) to Zenn.<BR/><BR/>Also, Zenn is LIMITED to how much they can invest in EEStor. They have a MAXIMUM investment ability of 6.2%, which could be diluted significantly depending upon influx of other funding sources. Also, at the current time, they Dochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03747413751173334875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-43792745139754286402008-07-28T10:24:00.000-04:002008-07-28T10:24:00.000-04:00But which patent are we discussing? The WIPO paten...<I><BR/>But which patent are we discussing? The WIPO patent DOES mentions saturation<BR/></I><BR/>And why does it mention it? Is it because they realized they were idiots and mentioned it this time. Do you realize how ridiculous they would look if you only understood the physics?Y_Pohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05389538346685815112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-56022066727904277742008-07-28T08:12:00.000-04:002008-07-28T08:12:00.000-04:00vijay @11:26With regard to the financing you discu...vijay @11:26<BR/><BR/>With regard to the financing you discussed, I believe there are two critical errors.<BR/><BR/>According to their last financial statement, Zenn is floating more stock to get 15 million to continued their main business, they say nothing of investing it in EEStor. They apparently have not gotten the business level they need with the battery powered Zenn, and are in fact, in johnghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01789809844702219075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-53250092643865723742008-07-28T02:42:00.000-04:002008-07-28T02:42:00.000-04:00Y_Po,Everybody agrees? Well, at least everyone in...Y_Po,<BR/><BR/>Everybody agrees? Well, at least everyone in your head. And what "theory"? I only restated your previous post, that the patent was vague, and if it's as vague as you say, how can you have enough information to know it to be false? <BR/><BR/>I was so wrapped up in my own thoughts, I neglected to realize that they were writing their patent according to the required Y_Po mjtimberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12555604112332246835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-65737194431563292772008-07-28T02:26:00.000-04:002008-07-28T02:26:00.000-04:00I am at a bad keyboard. so, excuse the typos.It a...I am at a bad keyboard. so, excuse the typos.<BR/>It appears that something exciting is going on at EESTOR. One interesting way to find out what is happening in that secretive company is to follow the money.<BR/>One thing that stands out is how money is flowing to Zenn and has flowed into EESTOR.<BR/>For example, Zenn got a $15million investment a few months ago. Do you think that those guys Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09164595874967664381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-35570085695860377262008-07-28T01:55:00.000-04:002008-07-28T01:55:00.000-04:00mjtimber,You are so slow that it is not even funny...mjtimber,<BR/><BR/>You are so slow that it is not even funny. Everybody have already agreed that their patents can not have any relation to the presumed "discovery". The problem with yours and others theories is that EEstor patent don't mention word "saturation", that fact immediately suggests their utter ignorance. Your theories have to incorporate this fact somehow. What would be the point in Y_Pohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05389538346685815112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-37934147508579116842008-07-28T01:36:00.000-04:002008-07-28T01:36:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Y_Pohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05389538346685815112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-31408135873612470482008-07-28T01:31:00.000-04:002008-07-28T01:31:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Y_Pohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05389538346685815112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-71050177217741698602008-07-28T01:17:00.000-04:002008-07-28T01:17:00.000-04:00Y_Po,Perhaps the patent is an attempt to gain inve...Y_Po,<BR/><BR/>Perhaps the patent is an attempt to gain investment on nothing (which is quite possible). Or maybe they have an invention and wanted a quiet way to raise capital, without revealing processes that they are still working on. You are correct that the patents filed do not adequately describe the invention, but that doesn't exclude the possibility of said invention. You are mjtimberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12555604112332246835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-19207834967643906782008-07-27T23:19:00.000-04:002008-07-27T23:19:00.000-04:00kingami,Yes I have rad the article.Have you actual...kingami,<BR/>Yes I have rad the article.<BR/>Have you actually read what I said?<BR/>Because I think you have not.Y_Pohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05389538346685815112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-58845745618276982092008-07-27T23:10:00.000-04:002008-07-27T23:10:00.000-04:00Y-Po, have you actually read the article before yo...Y-Po, have you actually read the article before you posted your BS comments? They are preparing 21 new patents to protect every aspect of the invention and that's the primary reason for the delay of news release. <BR/><BR/>You reminds me of some Asian guy I know who is very technical but know nothing about business and totally full of himself.StudentTraderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14655819399526221928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-1456918620008640562008-07-27T23:07:00.000-04:002008-07-27T23:07:00.000-04:00mjtimber,You can protect your invention without ma...mjtimber,<BR/>You can protect your invention without making yourself look like a complete idiot. Truth is - bogus patents don't protect your invention simply because they don't apply to actual invention. Unless you are suggesting that EEstor have gone completely insane I see no reason discuss such wild speculation.Y_Pohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05389538346685815112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-56152532152889194622008-07-27T22:59:00.000-04:002008-07-27T22:59:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Y_Pohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05389538346685815112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-86801438042653282522008-07-27T21:18:00.000-04:002008-07-27T21:18:00.000-04:00Y_Po,You have, to date, made many astute and infor...Y_Po,<BR/><BR/>You have, to date, made many astute and informative posts. I think all of those who fall outside the "true believer" category appreciate these. <BR/><BR/>This most recent post does not fall in that category. How can you dismiss this idea out of hand? Do you have no clue how the world of business works? Why would they explain how to create this particular effect without having mjtimberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12555604112332246835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-91313628065520205412008-07-27T18:20:00.000-04:002008-07-27T18:20:00.000-04:00Gaurav,There is a little problem with your theory,...Gaurav,<BR/><BR/>There is a little problem with your theory, it is their apparent claims of the effect before actually observing it.<BR/><BR/>It is like average Joe placing <B>ALL</B> his money on a bet which has astronomically low odds and then winning.<BR/>Do you really think anyone would believe that?Y_Pohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05389538346685815112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-83026465655403194322008-07-27T17:06:00.000-04:002008-07-27T17:06:00.000-04:00One speculative explanation of the electronic mech...One speculative explanation of the electronic mechanism is a new material structure that provides a large number of higher energy states, perhaps even multiple states per electron. Thus instead of an electrochemical process, there is a solid state quantum exchange process, highly reversible, that is storing a large amount of energy, at lower voltage. The small particle dimensions may also AgentGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06090859131997988665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-67727527660665491122008-07-27T13:55:00.000-04:002008-07-27T13:55:00.000-04:00johng, since that post I have gained a better unde...johng, since that post I have gained a better understanding of the problem - see my later posts.Marcushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10800215214582791177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-56246738458415854152008-07-26T08:12:00.000-04:002008-07-26T08:12:00.000-04:00Marcus @ 9:37The '494 patent describes a high-K ce...Marcus @ 9:37<BR/><BR/>The '494 patent describes a high-K ceramic, but it is not field-independent. Again, there are dozens of BT formulations with permittivities around 20,000. Product is sold every day with it. BUT IT DOES NOT KEEP THE HIGH K WITH MORE THAN A COUPLE VOLTS ON IT. What about this is hard to understand?johnghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01789809844702219075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-51717217167854549922008-07-26T08:08:00.000-04:002008-07-26T08:08:00.000-04:00Ted, you are kidding, right?Ray-Where is that inde...Ted, you are kidding, right?<BR/><BR/>Ray-Where is that independent reference that had a field-independent ceramic?<BR/><BR/>I completely agree with Y-PO. Something is drastically wrong with that patent. I and others have tried that mixing of BT in plastic, I got much less, I think it was around 30. <BR/><BR/>And again, people are mixing up the patents/applications.johnghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01789809844702219075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-63244012311093637782008-07-25T15:22:00.000-04:002008-07-25T15:22:00.000-04:00EEstor has the capacitor. The technology of storin...EEstor has the capacitor. The technology of storing electricity has been around for over one hundred years. It's a simple matter of relativity. Considering the difference between small consumer grade batteries and large industrial lithium ion batteries and the short time which technology has dramatically improved, there is no doubt that EEstor can, and will do what they say. Now, as far as them Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07163515019950197708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-90363252207466860562008-07-25T03:00:00.000-04:002008-07-25T03:00:00.000-04:00If you go to the ZENN website, you fill find on it...If you go to the ZENN website, you fill find on it (somewhere, and I cannot find it now since I am travelling) that Mr. Clifford says that he has seen it with his own eyes.<BR/>This led me to believe that the EESU exists, but not in production mode.<BR/>Can anyone back this up?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09164595874967664381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-40811304754403191202008-07-24T23:34:00.000-04:002008-07-24T23:34:00.000-04:00Anyone know how a U.S. citizen can buy shares of Z...Anyone know how a U.S. citizen can buy shares of Zenn? I looked into it a few months ago and was stymied--it didn't seem easy. Not many U.S. brokers seem to trade on the Toronto Venture Exchange.<BR/><BR/>Any advice I could get would be greatly appreciated (I'm an investing noob).Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12480286602874283127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489475285158529856.post-16054379958778509972008-07-24T21:12:00.000-04:002008-07-24T21:12:00.000-04:00Ok, I thought about it a bit more and now I am pre...Ok, I thought about it a bit more and <BR/>now I am pretty sure these measurements are complete BS or fabrication.<BR/><BR/>The reason why we can safely exclude possibility of breakthrough is simple - no voltage dependence of k were observed. If it were the real breakthrough there would be some dependence. It is highly unlikely that a known nonlinear material mixed with something else becomes Y_Pohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05389538346685815112noreply@blogger.com